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by SaoirseIsASocialist @ Wednesday, 11. Jun, 2008 - 09:03:12 pm

It's amazing how often I find myself defending the earthly. I'm always arguing that we need to disregard religion or ceremony or tradition in the name of saving lives, of ending war and poverty and much preventable death.

It's part of Marxism: nothing comes from dreams. We're materialists, the lot of us.

I was saying this to John today: we don't understand the universe, and we don't understand the constructs we make to deal with it. There is no definition of art, for example, that satisfies us all. And we still don't really know how anything works, not really.

I was also saying this: I am a sceptic when it comes to reality. And a lot of other things, but reality is what I've been thinking about. I don't think it is possible to prove, at all, that the world- in the sense of the physical world, not the planet- is actually real. And that it may just be possible to prove that it isn't. Of course, you can't prove anything- but it's that feeling that you can never know. It's the sense that I can never, ever know the most basic thing about these things I interact with that has begun to drive me mad.

I keep feeling trapped by gravity. Like I can't move in enough dimensions.

Maybe I'm just tired. I don't really have reason to be.


 
 

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Marigold [Visitor]
http://www.anotherthirteenautumns.blogspot.com
2008-06-15 @ 16:34

"I don't think it is possible to prove, at all, that the world- in the sense of the physical world, not the planet- is actually real"

This old nut. I agree that it's hard to find a way to *prove* reality, when you put it like that. Traditional Christianity asserts that there is some kind of objective reality by which all things are measured. As an untraditional Christian I'm not so sure - I still think there is a standard by which all things are measured, and in believing in God I'm asserting my belief in a certain type of reality, but I think the closest we can ever get to *proving* reality is accepting that since you appear to be here, and I appear to be here, and we are both self-aware and aware of one another, that is reality.

Philosophers and thinky types have been trying to box up 'what' reality is for yonks and yonks. I'm sceptical as to whether we can ever get further than experience as proof.

xxx

SaoirseIsASocialistSaoirseIsASocialist [Member]
2008-06-15 @ 21:51

Yes, it is a very old argument. But that's partly why it's so fun to argue about, much like the colour of wax. It's a good way of really understanding the arguments, and that's important. Besides, if I get the old ones out of the way in adolescence, by the time I'm middle age I may almost be up-to-date in debate.

As for existence as proof, well. Since I've mostly been thinking about this because I re-read "Taking the Blue Pill: Science, Philosophy, and Religion in the Matrix" recently (geek points?), I am mostly imagining some sort of computer-generated reality, which can deal with consciousness. But, yes, it is about the only proof there can be, however inconclusive.

Colon- D, for sure.

Abbi [Visitor]
http://avdberg2awwta.spaces.live.com/
2008-06-23 @ 08:26

I have been challenging people to prove to me that I exist for as long as I can remember. No one has come even close yet. I'm pretty sure I don't exist...

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