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On Losing, Winning, and Winning Again.

by SaoirseIsASocialist @ Wednesday, 02. Apr, 2008 - 08:08:03 pm

So today was the debates against the Jew's Free School (name recently changed from Jewish Free School, for obvious reasons.) The title is the results. Yay!

The year eights lost, but by barely anything. The motion was "This house would enforce the use of DNA as proof of identification". We had some good points, but so did they, sadly. What was really really odd in this debate was when they linked a DNA database with the discrimination and scapegoating of Jews during and before WW2. Ignoring that this is nonsense because one's religion is not in one's DNA at all, I was, and still am, amazed by the extent to which they sort of played up to the stereotype. It was odd, that's all, really.

My team- I was first speaker, Eli second, and Alice summarised- won our debate, on "This house would abolish anti-social behaviour orders".

The last debate was undoubtedly the best, and was won, by Giggy on first speaker, Pritesh on second, and Sarah summarising, by eighteen points. Let me say that again- eighteen points. Those guys rock, right?

Here's A Fact:
Every single one of the JFSers started their arguments with the same two sentences: "Good afternoon, Ladies, Gentlemen, Timekeeper, Madam Chairman, and learned opponents." This may be the Proper Way, but Christ.

Another thing:

Why all the emphasis on structure? The JFSers got tons of points for it, but all it is is "I am going to talk about A, B, and C. AAAA, BBBB, CCCC. I have now spoken about A, B, and C." And then the summarisers say "Today we have heard about A, B, and of course C." Why? I don't like it, personally. Neither does Eli or Alex. I mean, if it's done well, great. But it often really isn't, and then it really doesn't flow. It just doesn't sound good! It wastes time! Whatever happened to moving speeches? Why is it all structure, structure, structure? Is it really effective, or do people only get extra marks for it because all the pieces of paper have it written down? What do you people think?


 
 

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Dominic Self [Visitor]
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2008-04-03 @ 00:54

Totally agree on the structure - they use it all the time at the Cambridge Union and it feels stuffy and old-fashioned when used so deliberately. I think it just highlights the difference between those who see debating as some form of enjoyable sport and those who actually really believe in their arguments.

Abbi [Visitor]
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2008-04-04 @ 14:00

I miss debating. We had a different style when I was at school (when we still rode woolley mammoths to school). They only brought in the style you use now in my last year of school. In the old style they said I was too aggressive and sacrastic so I had to run the floor. But then in floor debates you could say anything... leading me to once questioning the size of a pupil from our brother school's manhood. Ooops!

Amber [Visitor]

2008-04-05 @ 09:41

ahh i cant believe i missed it!
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